Commons:Deletion requests/File:Национальный флаг сибирских татар.jpg
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A fictitious flag of a non-existent people. Mizgel (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- The people exist: Siberian Tatars, but the flags of them are completely made up and therefore
Delete. This flag was created by a group that encourages communication in the people's original Turkic language. It is not an official flag. Please also include the other version of this file File:Flag of Siberian Tatars.svg. One of the pages where the nominated file is used (ru:Обсуждение:Этнический флаг) is the talk page of the "Ethnic flag" article where there are several discussions about the massive amount of fictitious flags/original research and content in the article and the need to get rid of them. Nakonana (talk) 20:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just how many different flags can there be for Siberian Tatars? We currently have at least four different versions:
File:Flag of the Siberian Tatar people 1.png 
Nakonana (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just how many different flags can there be for Siberian Tatars? We currently have at least four different versions:
Keep This flag is used in real life, see [1]. 5.142.178.40 15:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- The flag is not depicted on that page, as far as I can see. A flag like this one is described in the section "Флаг сибирских татар", however, going by the text, it's clear that this is neither a historical nor a modern official flag (or at least I don't see any mention of an authoritative entity approving this flag), but the result of discussions on social media and a commemoration conference (of unclear significance, reach, and authority). The relevant text passage:
"В 2011 году в социальных сетях активно шло обсуждение проектов флага сибирских татар. Предлагались варианты и с изображением древней тамги, и с кедрами и соболями, и с волчьей головой (наподобие флага ногайцев). Обсуждался даже проект флага с большой буквой "Ц" в середине, автор проекта обосновывал его тем, что сибирские татары в речи часто "цокают". Наибольшую поддержку получил сине-бело-зеленый флаг с золотистой эмблемой. Проекты флага сибирских татар также обсуждались на проходившей 13-14.05.2011 года в Тюмени научно-практической конференции памяти поэта, публициста и прозаика Булата Сулейманова (т.н. "Сулеймановские чтения») и сине-бело-зеленый флаг также получил поддержку. В итоге национально-культурная автономия сибирских татар в Тюмени приняла этот флаг как народный символ."The mentioned "national-cultural autonomy of the Siberian Tatars in [the city of] Tyumen" is an organization that was established in 1998[2]. The organization is registered as an "МОО (Местная Общественная Организация)" according to their VK page[3], which means that they are a local NGO (non-government organization). So what is the significance of their decision regarding this flag? Furthermore, the text on the website itself says that this flag is far from being commonly used or accepted. Relevant text passage:"Хотя, видимо, до всеобщего признания этого флага пока далеко, т.к. все еще продолжают появляться различные варианты других флагов, символизирующие сибирских татар. Например, в сети можно увидеть похожий рисунок, но без трехлепесткового цветка, с эмблемой, напоминающей эмблему с флага Ичкерии (но без лежащего волка); а также флаг, дополненный тамгой золотоордынских ханов." - Besides, since this flag is apparently a modern creation and not an official state symbol (and thus not PD), the question of copyright status needs to be cleared. According to the provided vexillology website, the flag was created in 2011, but it wasn't uploaded to Commons until 2014. Is the uploader the author of the flag? The other version of this flag File:Flag of Siberian Tatars.svg provides differing author information: "изначальный концепт - MaratAA, SVG файл создан, откорректировал - Sebirkhan" ("initial concept by MaratAA, SVG created, corrected by [Wikipedia user] Sebirkhan") and the source is given as https://vk.com/sybyrlar. However, this other version was uploaded even later than the nominated one, in 2017, and it was also uploaded under a different license and by a user who had a lot of their uploaded flag images deleted per their talk page. For further assessment of this deletion request, I'm also pointing to previous deletion requests for the svg version of this file, which I discovered while checking the uploader's talk page: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Siberian Tatars.svg. The image was kept with the argument that it was COM:INUSE at the time of the deletion nomination, but the discussion might also provide some potentially relevant background information. Meanwhile, another file with a similar file name has been deleted: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of the Siberian Tatar people.svg. Nakonana (talk) 19:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- The flag is not depicted on that page, as far as I can see. A flag like this one is described in the section "Флаг сибирских татар", however, going by the text, it's clear that this is neither a historical nor a modern official flag (or at least I don't see any mention of an authoritative entity approving this flag), but the result of discussions on social media and a commemoration conference (of unclear significance, reach, and authority). The relevant text passage:
Deleted: per nomination: this is only a phantasy of some private person, no proofs it is really in use anywhere. --Andrei Romanenko (talk) 00:39, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
